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White House chief of staff would ‘not have recommended’ Bob Woodward interviews


Donald Trump‘s chief of staff Mark Meadows says he would not have advised the president to give interviews to Bob Woodward if he had been in post at the time. 

Trump is under pressure after Woodward’s interviews revealed how the president played down the threat of the coronavirus despite knowing in February that it was ‘deadly stuff’. 

The president gave 18 interviews to the Watergate journalist between December and July, while Meadows became his chief of staff in March – telling Fox News that Woodward’s access ‘is probably something that I would not have recommended had I been in the chief of staff role early on’. 

However, Meadows insisted that ‘this president was consistent in saying that we needed to do everything we could… he shut down literally the economy on the advice of doctors’.  

Donald Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows (pictured) says he would not have advised the president to give interviews to Bob Woodward if he had been in post at the time

Trump (pictured) is under pressure after Woodward’s interviews revealed he had minimized the threat of the coronavirus pandemic despite knowing it was ‘deadly stuff’


Tape recordings and extracts from the veteran Watergate reporter’s forthcoming book Rage make a series of bombshell revelations.


Trump told Woodward on February 7 that coronavirus was ‘deadly.’ 

‘You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus. This is deadly stuff,’ he said – but did not tell the public what he knew


On January 28, Robert O’Brien told Trump coronavirus ‘will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency,’ and said: ‘This is going to be the roughest thing you face.’ Trump then told Americans it was ‘under control’ and would ‘go away.’

And on March 19 Trump said:  ‘I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don’t want to create a panic.’ 


Trump says Kim is ‘far beyond smart,’ and says that the dictator told him ‘everything,’ boasting about how he described the brutal execution of his uncle in a power struggle. 

Woodward reveals Kim Jong-Un’s ‘love letters’ to Trump gushing to ‘Your Excellency’ about ‘holding your hand’ and calling their summit ‘a fantasy film.’

But Woodward also reveals that when Trump was tweeting about ‘Little Rocket Man’ Defense Secretary Jim Mattis was so concerned about escalation that he slept in his clothes.


‘My f***ing generals are a bunch of p***ies,’ Trump ranted in the Oval Office, and said their backing for NATO and an alliance with South Korea was ‘stupid. Costs us $10 billion. We’re suckers.’


Trump said Woodward made George W Bush ‘look like a stupid moron, which he was.’ Of Obama he ranted: ‘I don’t think Obama’s smart … I think he’s highly overrated. And I don’t think he’s a great speaker.’ And he added that Kim Jong-Un called Obama ‘an a**hol.’


Jim Mattis called him ‘dangerous’ and ‘unfit,’ went to pray in Washington National Cathedral, left government because he was ‘basically directed to do something that I thought went beyond stupid to felony stupid’ in reference to pulling troops from Syria, and suggested ‘collective action’ after leaving.

Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, had ‘deep suspicions’ that Putin had something on him and ‘could not shake them.’

Dr. Tony Fauci called his leadership ‘rudderless,’ his attention span ‘like a minus number’ and said: ‘His sole purpose is to get re-elected.’

Jared Kushner – his son-in-law – said Alice In Wonderland is the key to Trump, saying: ‘If you don’t know where you’re going, any path will get you there.’


Trump described the term ‘white privilege’ as ‘drinking the Kool-Aid’ and repeated his claim he had done more for black Americans than Lincoln, adding: ‘And, honestly, I’m not feeling any love.’


Trump used his private cellphone for late-night calls and revealed he had a ‘weapons system’ which Putin and Xi did not know about.

Defending Trump’s response to the virus outbreak, Meadows said: ‘What you don’t want to do is create panic. 

‘But at the same time, it was an all-hands-on-deck. Not only did that happen in January and February but when I came on board in March, it was an around-the-clock vigilant effort to make sure that this president did everything he could to address it. 

‘I can also say that what we know now about the virus is very different than what we knew at the time.’ 

He added that Trump ‘has been one of the most transparent presidents as it came to dealing with this situation, whether it’s on a phone call with Woodward or anyone else’.  

Woodward’s interviews were part of the source material for his new book Rage, due to be published next week. 

On February 7, Trump told Woodward that the virus ‘goes through the air’ – despite playing down the use of masks until much later and saying on the same day that the virus might disappear when the weather improved. 

‘You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one,’ Trump said. ‘That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus. This is deadly stuff.’ 

In another interview on March 19, Trump discussed the virus again and said openly that ‘I wanted to always play it down’. 

‘I still like playing it down, because I don’t want to create a panic,’ he said in the taped conversation.  

Speaking at the White House last night, Trump defended his comments and denounced Woodward’s book as ‘another political hit job’. 

‘The fact is I’m a cheerleader for this country. I love our country and I don’t want people to be frightened. I don’t want to create panic,’ Trump told reporters. 

‘Certainly, I’m not going to drive this country or the world into a frenzy. We want to show confidence. We want to show strength.’ 

Renewing his attack today, he wrote on Twitter: ‘Bob Woodward had my quotes for many months. 

‘If he thought they were so bad or dangerous, why didn’t he immediately report them in an effort to save lives? Didn’t he have an obligation to do so? No, because he knew they were good and proper answers. Calm, no panic!’. 

Woodward himself has come under criticism in some quarters for keeping the controversial quotes to himself until now. 

He has defended his decision to hold off by saying he needed time to make sure Trump’s private comments were true. 

Democratic nominee Joe Biden seized on the revelations while campaigning in Michigan on Wednesday, calling Trump’s comments a ‘life and death betrayal of the American people’. 

‘He knew how deadly it was,’ Biden said. ‘He lied to the American people. He knowingly and willingly lied about the threat it posed to the country for months.’

But Dr Anthony Fauci, who has sometimes clashed with Trump, defended Trump and said he did not ‘recall anything that was any gross distortion in things that I spoke to him about’. 

Trump was keen to stop the country from getting ‘down and out,’ the country’s top diseases expert said.  

Discussing Trump’s response to the pandemic, Woodward says in his book: ‘Trump never did seem willing to fully mobilize the federal government and continually seemed to push problems off on the states.

‘There was no real management theory of the case or how to organize a massive enterprise to deal with one of the most complex emergencies the United States had ever faced.’ 

The US has by far the highest death toll in the world from Covid-19, with more than 189,000 fatalities from 6.3million cases. 

Trump has repeatedly claimed that the huge tally of infections in the US is merely a result of more widespread testing.  

Excerpts from Woodward’s book were reported on Wednesday by the Washington Post, where Woodward made his name, and by CNN. 

The book is a follow-up to the 2018 volume Fear, and to a long line of presidential biographies by the 77-year-old journalist. 

Trump was not interviewed for the first book, but revealed in January that he had sat down with Woodward for the second.   

Watergate journalist Bob Woodward (pictured) spoke to the president in 18 interviews for his book Rage 

According to Bob Woodward (center, sitting), sometimes he would get unexpected phone calls after 9pm from the president (left, sitting)

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